Mr. Adnan Oktar's live conversation with his guests from the Sanhedrin Rabbinical Court (January, 20th 2016, A9 TV)
Bülent Sezgin: Good evening our dear viewers. We are starting with our program Live Conversations with Mr. Adnan Oktar. Today, we have very distinguished guests in our studio. Now Oktar will introduce them to us.
Oktar Babuna: Rabbi Dov Meir Stein. Welcome, Sir. He is the Secretary of the Sanhedrin the Rabbinical Court. He is the 3rd person on the Sanhedrin authority ranking. He has been a pioneer in the Sanhedrin's renewal for the last 20 years. Rabbi Stein has graduated from two universities in Statistics and Economics. He has been a Torah scholar for over 50 years. He has served as the chief consultant in computer technologies to the Ministry of Finance, to the Israeli army (IDF) and to the Israeli government.
Rabbi Yeshayahu Hollander has been here as your guest many times before. He is responsible of Foreign Affairs in the Sanhedrin Rabbinical Court and is the Co-Chair of the Jerusalem Court for Issues of Bnei Noah. He also gives lectures in the religious school. Rabbi Hollander received his education in theoretical physics and he also is a licensed patent attorney.
Rabbi Moshe Loebel. Welcome Sir. He too is a member of the Sanhedrin the Rabbinical Court. Rabbi Moshe Loebel's profession is electronics engineering. He graduated from two universities in Applied Physics and Industrial Management. He gives lectures in Tel-Aviv University and Jerusalem College of Technology as a senior lecturer and serves as Homeland Security Consultant in his field. He worked as an expert supervisor in the Chief Scientists' Office of Ministry of Commerce and Industry and also served as a consultant for the Ministry of Defense. In a special presentation piece published, the Jerusalem Post wrote that although Rabbi Moshe Lebel has never been a Knesset member or cabinet minister, he has had a significant impact over the past 40 years in his own field of expertise and as an educator, consultant and founder.
Please do go on, Master.
Adnan Oktar: Masha'Allah. Welcome gentlemen. You have honored us, made us very happy with your presence. My seating place being a bit higher is, for me, like embracing you all because you all have very high places in our hearts. I have to be seated higher [on a platform] because of a recording technicality. Otherwise, in our hearts, you are in great heights, sitting on thrones.
Rabbi Hollander: Yes. Thank you very much
Rabbi Loebel: Thank you very much. The same is about us.
Rabbi Hollander: Thank you. We appreciate it very much coming [here], being invited, to speak with you about the important ideas of Rabbi Loebel. First of all, before we get to the issues for which we were invited, I would like to thank you for the invitation, thank you for the opportunity and I will relate for a moment to the visit of Dr. Babuna and Dr. Cihat in the Knesset and the report in Channel 2 and the very excellent response you gave which we saw on Arutz Sheva. And we will try to correct the mistakes of the people who made these statements if they did.
Adnan Oktar: Yes. Such rhetoric could be seen everywhere. Those are very common statements. Those are things that we've been facing ever since the ancient times. Neither satan, nor satan's followers, nor anyone else could ever impair the friendship we have with you. We will always love you; our compassion and love will always be with you.
Rabbi Hollander: I think we have already talked to Mr. Oktar, on every occasion that it says in Proverbs that the face is reflected in the face and the heart is reflected in the heart. Just as how your relation is to us, so our relation is to you.
Adnan Oktar: You have been loyal to Prophet Moses (pbuh) for 3,500 years. It is more than enough for me to love you. We are all children of Prophet Abraham (pbuh). We are here together, to talk, to converse. Yes, do go on please.
Rabbi Hollander: We came here for correspondence about our ideas which we hope will help to make peace in the hearts and on the land, not only in the hearts in the physical world, first thing between Turkey and Israel to help to improve the relations and this will also benefit all the people in the Middle East. Rabbi Loebel prepared the plan and I would like to give him the opportunity to explain his ideas, and we will make remarks as we go on. Is that all right?
Adnan Oktar: That'd be great. Please go ahead.
Rabbi Hollander: And at the end we have a surprise for you.
Adnan Oktar: Masha'Allah.
Rabbi Loebel: The surprise will be given by Rabbi Stein. Okay. We come to present to a possible solution to the humanitarian and political problem of Gaza. First I would like to begin with a short summary of the history, economy, population and governance of Gaza.
At the start of the 20th Century, the total population of Gaza was 16,000 Muslims, Jews and Christians. The Jewish community was wealthy, and contributed to the upkeep of the Jewish communities in Jerusalem all through the 19th Century up to World War One.
In WW1 Gaza acted as an advance base for the Ottoman Army on the way to Suez and the Suez Canal. The Turkish Army advanced the railroad line up to Negev Be’er Sheba even to Gaza. Gaza resisted the attempts of the British Army to conquer it for a year. The city was emptied of its inhabitants because of the war and in 1918 the British took Gaza with the rest of Palestine.
The Jewish population of Gaza never returned to its former strength, and during the 30 years of the British mandate, the Jewish population dwindled – and with it, the economic situation of Gaza.
The Arab population of Gaza after 1918 was comprised mainly of workers who came from Arabia and Egypt to work under the Turkish Army in laying the railroad line to Be'er Sheba, to Gaza and in the fortification of the Negev, that is the south of Israel, in preparation for the battles against Britain and remained under the British rule.
The economy of Gaza never recovered after WW1. Thus the main source of employment of the Arab population in and around Gaza were the developing Jewish communities in Southern Palestine. This development caused an influx of more Arabs from Egypt and Arabia and Jordan and even from Syria to Gaza.
When the Arabs rejected the division of Palestine according to the UN's resolution of November 29, 1947, and invaded Palestine, the Arab civilians in Southern Palestine tried to find shelter in Gaza which was occupied by Egypt, the country from which so many of them had come. Egypt, however, refused to allow the Egyptian Arabs to return to their homes and families in Egypt, and refused to rehabilitate them in Gaza! Instead, in accordance with the policies of all the Arab governments, the Gazan Arabs were effectively imprisoned in "refugee camps".
Following the establishment by Israel in 1971 of Jewish agricultural and industrial enterprises which employed Arabs from Gaza.
These years were the "Golden Years" of Gaza. Arabs – including those in the "refugee camps" - and Jews enjoyed a good level of employment. About 20,000 Arab families made their living from work in the industries Israel established in and about Gaza, and another 45,000 families – from work of one of their members inside Israel. Arabs learned to work skillfully in agriculture, tourism, industry, and construction. Israelis withdrew from Gaza in 2005, purposely leaving the agricultural infrastructure intact, but the Arabs demolished everything even the wells.
Devoid of their sources of income, 60% of the Arabs in Gaza lost their source of income, and without work until these days. All this was described in the booklet by Professor Frisch which we sent before we came and gave it to you.
We are looking to help the suffering population in Gaza, by opening work opportunities for them, as indeed Israel did in the past; as we mentioned before, over 70,000 families had worked and learned under Israeli rule. Many of them later found work in Kuwait until Saddam Hussein chased them out. Besides the religious and moral humanitarian reasons, Israel has only to gain by improving the situation of the Gazans. Israel opened the first universities in Judea and Samaria for Arabs. Today it would be possible for tens of thousands of young men and women to learn in a university in a more relaxed location, say in Tripoli in Lebanon,
It is for this purpose we came to Turkey: to open a constructive Turkish-Israeli dialog to think together and plan together to cooperate to alleviate the situation of the Gazan Arabs.
We have a mutual MITZVAH (commandment) named TSEDAKAH in Hebrew, ZAKAT in Arabic, for Jews and Muslims, as derived from the Seven Noahide Laws. We understand that Turkey wants to cooperate with our ZAKAT (alms-giving) in Gaza. To give education, we don’t know how to do it, only you can do it, medicines and employment to Gazans; you are more than welcome to join us!!
The last time when we came here, we were asked by you about the religious situation between Jews and Israel. For here it begins, please Rabbi Hollander, describe the present situation in Israel about the religious people.
Adnan Oktar: Of course, do go on.
Rabbi Hollander: We have discussed more than once this situation. Now I would like to put the background and put it into proportion to be understood. We agreed, Mr. Oktar and we agreed that it is important to strengthen the belief in God, the acceptance of God’s instructions in the whole of the Middle East as in Europe’s vision and this will bring around harmony between all the people under one God. You know and you have asked about the secular people in Israel and I would like to take this opportunity to talk about this for two minutes.
Adnan Oktar: Yes. [In the meantime] Let us start a new hashtag campaign about love. What should we say? "Love for all Humanity," let us say as our hashtag on love.
Yes I am listening to you now.
Rabbi Hollander: The state of Israel in 1947 was founded under the shadow of the Holocaust. That generation had questions and had no answers. They naturally left organized religion; a large proportion of the people became atheists. The political elite were distanced from religion. However after observing the many miracles that had been taking place in Israel, many are returning to belief and to religion, starting with Prime Minister Menachem Begin, a blessed memory, who himself never abandoned religion. Religion has become more visible, more acceptable, more normal. People started to say, Be’ezrat Ha-shem, “Insha’Allah” openly, people say, "Thank God", Toda la'El, "Masha’Allah” much more they did years ago. Prime Minister Netanyahu who was born in a secular home has regular study session of Torah at his home, in his residence. His son and his daughter are religious. One can notice the influence of this on his speech and on his thinking.
Adnan Oktar: Please bring me a copy of the Torah and a copy of the Qur'an.
That is great [that Netanyahu is religious]. That is very important. It's great news.
Rabbi Hollander: Netanyahu recently said that the natural gas reserves that were discovered and recently other fuels were discovered which doubled Israel’s reserves were a present to Israel from God. These Israeli government ministers are religious today. We have education, the Minister of Education is religious; this is perhaps the most important post for religious leaders.
Israel's Minister of Health is strictly observant. The Minister of Absorption, responsible for integrating new emigrants into Israeli society, is a religious immigrant from Russia.
The Deputy Minister of Foreign Affairs is strictly religious, as is the Deputy Minister of Defense. The Speaker, the Chairman of the Knesset is religious. When the Prime Minister meets with President Putin, he takes religious Jews to participate in the talks. By the way, Putin, himself, is said to be religious and has great respect for religious Jews. Today, the heads of all Israeli security organizations are all strictly observant Jews. On Israel Supreme Court, three of the chief judges are religious; Rubenstein (Vice-President), Hendel and Sohlberg. The Government Chief Legal Council and Attorney General who is just appointed, is a person who is born into a non-religious home and has become himself religious.
This is the background of what is happening in Israel and gives us reason to think that the return to religion of the Jews and the Muslims to the Islam as you preach is a firm foundation for understanding and peace.
Adnan Oktar: These are the most important things. These are the things that bring blessings to Israel.
Rabbi Hollander: Now we can go from general talk to specifics. Now we will talk about specific programs.
Rabbi Loebel: More specific, yes. We are aware of the excellent books of Islam which Mr. Oktar has been publishing over the years. We have initiated contacts to bring Mr. Oktar's understanding of Islam to our Ministry of Education, to adapt the books of Mr. Oktar for schools – both for the Muslim sector and for basic knowledge of Islam necessary for mutual understanding between Muslims and Jews. We also have initiated a process by which these books will be adapted for use in the process of rehabilitation of Muslims. We ask your help in these projects; preparing the syllabus and the textbooks.
This vision must be taught in Israel and in Gaza.
The Islam of Mr. Oktar, the Islam of tolerance and compassion and understanding and respect and dignity for all believers is exactly the medicine that the world in this 21st Century needs.
Adnan Oktar: Masha'Allah. Masha'Allah. Insha'Allah.
Rabbi Loebel: It would be best if the Gaza education system – now under UNRWA and Hamas – would be changed to a program developed by Mr. Oktar, true Islam, peace for all, understanding that the One God is the God of all, and the differences in religions reflect differences in human perception. If UNRWA would teach Islam according to Mr. Oktar – instead of according to Hamas – we would have peace instead of war, productivity instead of destructivity, love instead of hate.
We are all descendants of Noah – Nun – and live under the covenant of God with Noah.
Adnan Oktar: [We are the Children of] Noah (pbuh)... That is great. We'll help you with all our might.
Rabbi Loebel: Now [regarding] something bilateral between Israel and Turkey. Additionally, we suggest cooperation in Research and Development, construction of manufacturing plants in Turkey to utilize the powers of Turkey and Israel in symbiosis; this should be done through a bi-national Turkey-Israel investment fund.
In Commerce – we suggest agreements on cooperation. In Science: both countries are active in medical research – we can surely work together on this for the benefit of our countries and of all humanity. Transportation and Logistics: Development of the route Turkey – Haifa – Jordan- the Gulf Emirates ; laying an additional railway line to Eilat –in South of Israel- for Arabia and East Africa. Infrastructure: the railroad lines as above, and other construction projects could benefit highly from using Turkish know-how and experienced Turkish employees.
Adnan Oktar: That'd be great.
Rabbi Loebel: Now Medicine and Medical Tourism; It is well-known that Turkey has a good reputation in medicine, good hospitals and good medical staff; thousands come to Turkey for cornea transplants. Israel is also proficient in treatment of problems in the eye, such as Laser, Photocoagulation and Cryopexy, in Cardiology- Israel publishes a great number of research papers in this field, in Oncology, in Orthpedics, in Brain-Cell Renewal or Regeneration- Israel has the largest installation for Hyperbaric treatment, for instance for people who have drowned or other brain trauma such as accidents and post stroke trauma. As we mentioned before, our Minister of Health is a very religious Rabbi, who is the most prominent and recognized in the value of Minister and because of that medical cooperation between our countries will be very useful.
Now cooperation covering Gaza also. It is well known that Israel invested great effort in developing medical services in Gaza like none before. The Famous Shifa hospital - and all the hospitals in Gaza - were founded under Israeli rule in Gaza. Much of the staff received training in Israel; all Gazan hospitals transfer difficult cases to Israel.
Sad to say, the animosity of the Arabs to Israel and Jews may be a reason that many Arabs of Gaza do not receive the treatment they need because this would involve cooperation with Jews. After the battles of 2014, there was an attempt to transfer some patients to Turkish hospitals. Perhaps Turkey could take a leading position in the medical services of Gaza.
There are a lot of ideas we will leave you in the written form but as we have seen, the major humanitarian problem in Gaza is not food or supplies, all which are supplied by Israel directly to Gaza; you can supply also of course. The major humanitarian problem is the lack of opportunity to work and to learn and to develop the human potential which is unable to develop because of the political situation in Gaza.
Adnan Oktar: Your good intentions regarding this issue, your love and sincerity are all very clearly seen. That is because you fear God. It is because you love God. But of course, it'd have been great if the entire Israeli administration consisted of pious people.
Rabbi Hollander: We are getting there.
Rabbi Loebel: Now, it is not so real, because the state of hatred is so big, not real.
Adnan Oktar: Yes. The real salvation would be attained only then. And that will happen in the time of Moshiach. [So] We have a very little time left for that.
Rabbi Loebel: But you have to know something. In the domain of education, we have no achievements. Because we don’t give education. We give food, we give electricity, we give water, we give medicine. But education, the basis, we can not give. Good Muslim education only you can give.
Adnan Oktar: When they become sincere Muslims, when sincere Islam spreads in the region, it will be the salvation of both Israel and the world; true Islam. What you say is true. Indeed, the Islam I’m describing in my books is completely in compliance with the Qur'an, without any compromises. It is also in compliance with the essence of the Torah and the Gospels. It is the true Islam. And this really is spreading very fast. What you have been explaining, the fact that Mr. Netanyahu is pious, that his children are pious, that news made me very happy. I didn't know that. The fact that some other ministers were also pious [is very good news]. Religion is spreading fast in Israel. We hear the news of that. It is great. The era of superstitions is slowly coming to an end now in the Islamic world as well. It is because people see how horrible the non-Islamic movements that are called 'radical movements' really are, and they gravitate towards searching for the real Islam. Actually, if it weren’t for radical Islam, maybe people wouldn't have approached the true Islam, as we've been preaching, this much. But when they saw radical Islam, it made people appreciate the real Islam. When they saw horror, violence, terror, lack of love and compassion, brutality, crudeness, coarseness and their obnoxious ways, they clearly saw that true Islam is the only salvation.
Rabbi Hollander: Now we have our present. We have something to show you which we know will please you and will strengthen you, and will help you to advance your vision of Islam and perhaps to help to teach it to people in Israel and in Gaza. Would you show the book to Mr. Oktar?
Rabbi Stein: I’d like to add something to what Rabbi Loebel and Rabbi Hollander said. The reason why the population of Israel is not religious is, among other reasons, the population of Jewish nation was spread all over the world. And then the Jewish nation has not taught to educate the children to fear God, to learn the Torah. So when they were collected together in Israel, they were with no base of Judaism and we have to educate them.
Secondly, the changes in the population of Israel is because also of demographic processes because with the religious part of the population, their fertility rate is higher. And slowly more and more parliament members became religious, from one Knesset parliament to another Knesset parliament. And it will be changed, I think, after one generation, I think it will be changed. And the majority of the Knesset will be based on religious members. Now I want to show something.
Adnan Oktar: That is very good.
Rabbi Stein: Now something else. I brought the book, with the pictures and drafts of the second temple with the tools that exist. And we hope to ...
Adnan Oktar: Masha'Allah.
Rabbi Stein: A friend of the Sanhedrin wrote this book. He is the first one who was a member to do that.
Adnan Oktar: All the details are ready. Now the only thing left for us to re-build the prayer house, insha'Allah. The plan is complete.
Rabbi Loebel: It is big also, it is not only pictures, it is big.
Rabbi Hollander: There are models, real live site models. When the time comes, we will consecrate them.
Rabbi Stein: We have to change the attitude of the Arab Muslims in Israel and also in Gaza and the other places, of Jordan, to understand that the temple will be a center for praying for people all over the world, and now they understand it is something that has to do with nationality. Because of that, they are resisting any idea to rebuild the new temple. But if it will be a new temple, it will be a center for all, for praying all over the world, and a center for peace, and learning peace, and thinking about peace. This will be the target of such temple.
Adnan Oktar: King Moshiach is the one to do that. Moshiach will place the first brick and he will personally supervise it. They depicted the golden plating very good. I loved it. Completely in compliance with the original. My grandfather had perfect taste, Prophet Solomon (pbuh). He was an expert in the arts, beauty, aesthetics. Everything about him was beautiful; himself, the places he lived, the people around him [were all beautiful]. That is how a real Muslim should be like. Not a beheading, hammering, dirty, unintelligent person that has inferior complexity. This is how Muslims should be like [like Prophet Solomon].
Rabbi Loebel: You are right. The second temple didn’t arrive to the greatness of the first temple, the Temple of Solomon, and we hope that the third one will be like the Solomon’s, not like the second temple.
Rabbi Stein: Bigger.
Rabbi Loebel: Yes, bigger. Even bigger. You have to know that like Rabbi Hollander is a Kohen, we are making some exercise to prepare to the situation of the Temple. We cannot know, that can be let’s say in two days, but it can take years. And we have to prepare every time something, [we have to be] more prepared, more to be acquainted with this.
Adnan Oktar: We will do the same as my grandfather [Prophet Solomon] did. We will make it even more beautiful, actually.
Rabbi Loebel: Yes, this is what we say. Even better.
Adnan Oktar: With its gardens. And we will make the land even bigger. [I believe that] there were many derelict areas and places there. We will remove all of them. Jerusalem will be like Heaven.
Rabbi Loebel: Yes, you have to know that in the Ezekiel, the prophet, the way that he is describing the Temple, it is much bigger than the Solomon's Temple.
Rabbi Hollander: I think that is only natural. It is only natural because at that time the world population was not seven billion people. The world was much smaller. There were much less people. Today if people want to come to Jerusalem, how many people will come? All Turkish Airlines won't have enough much planes. We have to have a lot more planes, we need a lot more space. We need a bigger temple.
Rabbi Loebel: And you have to know that we are going to learn from the Saudis. Because it is a problem. Today three million people pilgrims are coming together. The Jewish people now is also six or seven million. How can all will come in some place is a big logistic problem, a big logistic problem. We want to put all the computers and all the logistic that think, for example like our korban. Our korban has to be done in sun hours for everyone, for every other family. How can be done something that 100,000 or 200,000 people in the same place? Came together to take a piece of the korban?
Rabbi Hollander: In five hours.
Adnan Oktar: But that might spoil its quality. I think it will be a constant flow of visitors. Yes, of course, we will make it larger. Of course, it will be bigger. But it is important to keep that classical, sophisticated style. That’s why I want it to have a reasonable size.
Rabbi Hollander: But I think in the previous meeting we discussed the words of Rabbi Tarfon, who said that it is not up to us to finish everything but it is up to us to make every possible step that we can in our time.
We cannot make sure the whole world, all the 1.6 billion Muslims all adhere to the Islam as explained by Mr. Oktar. We cannot assure that all the Jews will return to observe the Torah. But we can make steps. The steps we were talking about are steps which we hope that Mr. Oktar will be able to find a way to implement in the education, and perhaps in influencing the Turkish government to, when the time comes as soon as possible maybe next week, maybe this week, to consider taking the appropriate steps.
Adnan Oktar: That will happen by the grace of God. The arrival of King Moshiach, is in destiny and is moving along by itself. I mean it is bound to happen. It will happen even if some people don't want it and it is happening anyway. For instance, I’m here with you. They don't want us to be friends. The radical Muslims also don't want it. Some people in Israel don't want it either. Despite that, we are still friends. Despite that, Israel-Turkey ties are getting stronger, because this is in destiny. In other words, they cannot stop it. For example, they were vehemently against the building of my grandfather’s masjid (house of prayer). But now things are going perfectly. And it is going to happen. There will be gold-plated wooden carvings just like [in his time]. It will have the same beauty, the same aesthetics. There will be beautiful cups and goblets, as magnificent and striking as his were. The servants will dress perfectly, just like [in his time]. Just like it was in the time of my grandfather (Prophet Solomon). There won’t be even a slightest compromise in quality. Or else, having a vast prayer house for millions to come there, that’s not how we envisage it. From time to time, for instance, maybe fifty thousand people a day or a hundred thousand people a day might come. They will visit and leave. But we don't imagine it being a place, where it is always packed by masses. Because it has a symbolic significance, it has a spiritual beauty. They can watch it on TV as well. They can come and pray, they can come to its garden. Some of them can enter it as well, but it is not like everyone would have to be there. Otherwise, it would impair the quality of the prayer house. It has to be kept at a certain level [of visitors]. There will be servants there [as well]. We will also rebuild the palace of Prophet Solomon (pbuh). We will build it the same way just like it is described. They can go there, too. But, these pictures, I have to say, really do look very similar to the original one. I liked it. It’s very good. Of course, it has to be built in a way, where it will have a masjid, a synagogue and a church, a place where members of the three [Abrahamic] religions can go and worship. But of course, it has to be consistent with the original structure. It can be big, but not gratuitously so. Maybe twice or three times bigger, but yes, it will look like this. The golden plates will be like this. Whoever prepared this, they’ve done a great job. The landscape, the windows, everything is accurate.
Rabbi Stein: We would like to have help of all the nation to rebuild the Third Temple as it was in the Solomon’s Temple when the King of Sovereign Sidon helped King Solomon to build a temple.
Adnan Oktar: Yes, it will be the same. But of course this one will be little larger. The garden is crucial. It is very important that the garden is kept large. Especially towards the back, there are derelict places, all of them need to be removed. Beauty should be prevalent across the whole of Jerusalem. All of Jerusalem should be very beautiful and well-kept. It should be like Heaven. Actually, Jerusalem as a whole will be a place to come and visit. But of course they can go and see that building too. But it is not really necessary for them to go inside, some certain people may go inside, look around and worship. Otherwise if it is subjected to a constant flow of a massive numbers of visitors, its quality would be impaired. That building is to live that excitement, to feel that beauty. We will do that, they cannot stop it.
We will also locate the Ark of the Covenant. It is explained in the Qur'an, it is said, ‘eight angels are carrying it’. It will also be found by Moshiach. Some people listen to discussions of Moshiach like they're just tales, but they will very soon find out that it is real. When we bring the Ark of the Covenant and place it in front of the Prophet Solomon’s Prayer House, they will understand that everything that has been said is true. And they will see the holy relics inside it. The tablets, on which the revelation to Prophet Moses (pbuh) are written, a part of Torah written on a stone; as the Qur'an says, it will be there, inside that Ark. People will also see that piece. The original. And also they will see the original manna in a golden container. Manna from the time of Prophet Moses (pbuh). None of these are tales, or stories. They are all real, and coming true, things are constantly developing. All the portents are being realized. But of course we will make an effort. We will be in every kind of endeavor to that end.
We will do what you have been explaining. For instance, it’s great that you feel compassion for the Gazans, that you consider it as a sadaka, as zakat given to them. Because they are poor, aren’t they? All Muslims should give their alms and sadakas. Judaism is also a very old Islamic religion. Prophet Noah’s religion is also a very old Islamic religion. So is the religion of the Prophet Abraham (pbuh). So your good intentions are crystal-clear, because you are pious. One thing that I've noticed is, our religious scholars usually do it as a career. They make money out of it. Look, all the Rabbi gentlemen here, they are very pious, they are scholars. They are all Rabbis. But they are also scientists, the world’s top scientists that made great research on electronics. They are esteemed scientists who work in multiple disciplines.
Cihat Gündoğdu: On theoretical physics.
Adnan Oktar: Pardon?
Cihat Gündogdu: Rabbi Hollander is working on theoretical physics, for instance
Adnan Oktar: See, on theoretical physics. And this gentleman too, right? As far as I know.
Oktar Babuna: They've both graduated from two universities.
Adnan Oktar: Right? They are all very cultured, very well educated people, very intelligent people. Our scholars are usually graduates of Imam Hatip, then theology schools, and then they do it as a career. But it shouldn't be their job, their profession. They shouldn't be earning their living from religion. For instance, former mujaddids, mujtahids had all different professions. For instance, Abu Hanifa had a different profession. He wasn't making money out of religion. They all had their separate professions. I liked that very much about you. Our master here, he looks like one of those historical rabbi figures in paintings, don't you think? Rabbis in maybe one thousand year old pictures. Looks majestic, masha'Allah.
Guest: Earlier when we talked before, they (the Rabbis) said exactly what you have pointed out. They mentioned that they do not earn money from serving as Rabbis in any way. They said that they were different from others.
Adnan Oktar: They are very well educated, very cultured, very clever, by the grace of God. First of all, they read a lot. They have very good memories. God gave them that gift. That’s very good.
We won’t touch al-Aqsa Mosque. Some people think that al-Aqsa will be destroyed, chanting their protests against the idea. Al-Aqsa Mosque will remain until the Judgment Day. Al-Aqsa Mosque will remain there. There is a vast land in the middle that is empty, going towards the back. It is vast and empty. That is the place we are going to build my grandfather’s masjid. That’s the place we are going to build Prophet Solomon’s prayer house. It will be big, true to its original. Lots of gold will be used. Maybe a hundred tons of pure gold will be used only for one part. Another one hundred tons will be used in another part. Pure, 24-karat gold. It is how it’s described. These pictures show it in a very detailed way.
In the Psalms, it is said: “Lord my God, many are the wonders You have done, the things You planned for us. None can compare with You; were I to speak and tell of Your deeds, they would be too many to declare." (Psalms 40:5) What does Almighty Lord say in the Quran? "You couldn't count all the blessings of your Lord, even if you tried" (Qur'an 14:34). It is the same.
"Lord, do not withhold Your mercy from me, Lord; may Your love and faithfulness always protect me. For troubles without number surround me; my sins have overtaken me, and I cannot see..." In other words, people are slandering me. There are so many dangers, I cannot see ahead. "... They are more than the hairs of my head..." The tyrants, the supporters of the antichrist, the satan. "... and my heart fails within me. Be pleased to save me, Lord; come quickly, Lord, to help me. May all who want to take my life be put to shame and confusion; may all who desire my ruin be turned back in disgrace," it is said in the Torah. "May those who say to me, “Aha! Aha!” be appalled at their own shame. But may all who seek You rejoice and be glad in You; may those who long for Your saving help always say, 'The Lord is great!'." (Psalm 40:11-16) God's saving help is imminent. It will be through Moshiach, insha’Allah. And of course we will do our duty, cling to causes, write books, come together and discuss things, converse, reinforce our friendship.
Rabbi Stein: I would like to say something about the philosophy of religion that I think that it should be taken into account. In the Jewish religion, they sometimes have different ways to fulfill the order of God. One way is by death and one way is by life. One way is by love and compassion and other way is by cruelty. For example, in our holiday which is called Sukkot, at the beginning of winter, we have to take some branch of a tree, yes, and this branch is, according to the Torah, maybe from two separate trees, one is poisoning and other one is with smell. We think that even we can do both, we choose the best way, the compassion way. So is in every religion I believe, also in the Qur’an, you have sometimes it says which is more cruel and it says which is more compassionate. Then the philosophy should be we have to prefer the compassionate way, not the cruel, not the bad way.
Adnan Oktar: Yes. There is a wave of violence in the world. An intense tendency for violence. They encourage this violence with movies. And also in real life. They are trying to give the impression that violence is the solution to everything. The most important feature of Moshiach is he comes to stop violence. Prophet Mohammed (pbuh) explains this in his hadiths: Mahdi will not shed a single drop of blood. There won’t be even a nose bleeding. The same thing is said in the Torah for Moshiach. That there won’t be any blood, any violence, that everything will be solved with the help of God, that love will reign, weapons will be discarded, that bows and arrows will be broken and whole world will praise God. There is no other time left [for this to happen]. The Last Day is imminent. This is exactly the time of Moshiach. 6,000 years is up. Insha’Allah we will see Moshiach. Insha’Allah, love, peace and brotherhood will prevail in the world. These pains, these sufferings are the portents of Moshiach’s, Mahdi’s coming.
Rabbi Hollander: May I make a remark? A Torah remark of some commonality between Islam and Judaism. Islam, from what I know, not very much, talks about angels and the belief in angels is essential in Islam. The Hebrew word “malak” which is used for angels, is also used for a messenger. It is the same word. The same idea applies also to prophet. A prophet is a messenger from God to humanity. The new idea that I want to present to Mr. Oktar may be, not entirely new, but I would like to present it here. Every person can choose to be a messenger of God to humanity. Every person who does so becomes an angel. Every person who takes the word of God and brings it to application in this world is an angel. And I believe Mr. Oktar and all the people here are all angels. Thank you.
Adnan Oktar: Insha’Allah, may God clean our hearts, forgive our sins, keep us on the right path. Since Almighty God brought us together, He must have a goal, a purpose. Great things are happening one after another. Jealous people, loveless people say horrendous things one after the other; they want to spread lovelessness. But with love, we are putting out their fire of darkness. We are illuminating everywhere with holy light.
It is said in Psalms 133:1; “How good and pleasant it is when God’s people live together in unity!"
"Hath not one God created us? why do we deal treacherously every man against his brother, by profaning the covenant of our fathers?” Malachi 2:10.
“Mark the perfect man, and behold the upright: for the end of that man is peace.” Psalms 37:37.
“Instead of bronze I will bring gold, Instead of iron I will bring silver,
Instead of wood, bronze, and instead of stones, iron. I will also make your officers peace, And your magistrates righteousness.” Isaiah 60:17
“'Give judgment in your gates for truth, justice, and peace; Let none of you think evil in your heart against your neighbor; and do not love a false oath. For all these are things that I hate,' says the Lord.” Zachariah 8:16-19.
God has power above everything. See that loveless people, people who are astray, cannot stop our understanding of goodness, our understanding of love. They merely scream the place down, and watch in awe and admiration and nothing else.
Alright then, I thank you very much for your visit. May God give you long lives, health and well-being. I send my greetings to all our brothers and sisters in Israel, all the Christians, all the Muslims, all the Jews. May God bless them all. May God bless you too, and give you health, well-being and even more righteousness. Mr. Netanyahu should have no worries at all, he should rest assured that very good developments will happen, insha’Allah.
Rabbi Stein: We make a call for your blessing.
Adnan Oktar: May God be pleased with you. May God protect us all. May He give us goodness. Alright then, that is all.
Rabbi Hollander: Amen.
Bülent Sezgin: Yes, we thank our esteemed guests coming from Israel for their attendance on our program. And now, we continue our program with short videos.2016-01-30 15:49:16