Highlights from Mr. Adnan Oktar's interview on 17 August 2011

A9 TV; 17 August 2011


  • Turkey cannot rid the world of corruption all on its own. It cannot really even eliminate the corruption of the PKK. But if everyone works together… Allah says, “Hold fast to the rope of Allah all together, and do not separate.” The matter can be completely resolved if we all stick together. If not, the results are plain to see.
  • (Regarding the idea that the global economic system is developing as Marx described and that Marxist thinking will spread)

No such thing. Do you know why not? For one thing, the way of the Mahdi will dominate the world. We are in the time of Jesus the Messiah. The coming of Hazrat Mahdi (as) has happened. So any such thing is impossible. In addition, they have made 99% of people selfish and egotistical. Most of them think along the lines of, it may be small, but it’s mine. Someone has only a small house or car, but he is devoted to them and unwilling to give them up. So nobody will become a communist. But of course it is easy for communism to thrive in rather isolated areas where the geography is well suited, such as southeast Turkey. It is easy for communism to spread in isolated countries where ignorance is widespread. Communism has become a religion in the PKK terror organization. They have adopted communist thinking as the opposite of religion. That is why they are not interested in cars or houses or anything. They want to do what their religion demands. They want to live as the religion of communism requires. What is needed is an intellectual struggle against it. Look, the State permits all kinds of struggle apart from an intellectual one. But there is nothing wrong with the intellectual struggle. For example, if 100 tons of books had been dropped instead of 100 tons of bombs, and if anti-Marxist, anti-Leninist and anti-Darwinist broadcasts had been made over the TV and radio, we would long ago have seen the results and it would all be over. If people are told of the miracles of the Qur’an and shown love, compassion and brotherhood, that will solve the problem. The problem in the southeast, that of the PKK people, was described by  Bediüzzaman.; “Under the effect of science and philosophy, and the contagious plague known as materialism and naturalism, and its spread among people, he will first of all save the faith in such a way as to silence philosophy and materialism.” (Bediuzzaman Said Nursi, Emirdag Addendum, p. 259)

He says this is Hazrat Mahdi’s first task. That is the matter, the disease. If we ignore it, what does Bediüzzaman say? The scourge will just grow worse. In other words, it will lead the body to death. The Risale-i Nur and the Qur’an explicitly say what the solution is. Allah sets it out in the Qur’an and Bediüzzaman in the Risale-i Nur and our Prophet (saas) in the hadiths. We make a grave mistake if we ignore it.

But if union is proposed sincerely and with love, every Islamic country will agree. But if they approached with cold faces and cold, official statements, then none of them will agree to Islamic Union. Islamic Union will come about through warmth, friendship and a deep love in the heart, and with light. Islamic Union is built upon love. It requires profound love and sincerity. It is founded on passion and love of Allah. But you cannot get Turkish-Islamic Union with icy language. Even a child knows you cannot obtain Islamic Union with a proud, arrogant kind of language. And Allah would in any case never allow it. There can be no Turkish-Islamic Union without Hazrat Mahdi (as), we see that in every way. Because what our Prophet (saas) said came from revelation. Jibrail (as) speaks through him. Allah will do what He says. Everyone knows how Allah will respond if new ideas are developed contrary to what Allah says. There is no other way than doing what Allah says. But one cannot expect Turkish-Islamic Union to come from cold faces, chilly language and official statements. It has to be entrusted to the way of the Mahdi. Wasting time just leads to disasters, constant pain and nothing else. We must move to the way of the Mahdi and Turkish-Islamic Union at once. Then everyone, Muslims, Christians, Jews and everyone can relax. You will see that what I am saying will happen.

  • One lot, with bigoted and feeble minds, are book fascists as they base themselves on their own ideas. Have you seen that book? Burn it! But people should read and learn about the Torah. Allah talks about the Torah in the Qur’an. They must read and know the Gospel. They must read the Qur’an from beginning to end, and the Risale-i Nur, and Imam Ghazali and Ihya Ulum al-Din and everyone’s books. No harm can come of it. Communists tell people to go and read. What do Lenin and Marx and Darwin say? Read. And read the replies. You must have a general culture. You cannot jump up and down like a terrified wild thing and go and hide in a cave whenever you see a book. Bannings books is really horrible. But if they contain defamation and insults, that is different. There can be no putting up with that. But banning books of ideas and thoughts is a horrible thing to do. People must read all kinds of books. They have their own minds and ideas. We must know and investigate everything. Don’t read this, don’t read that! What happens to general culture then? Allah talks about nonbelievers. But what if we know nothing about nonbelievers? He talks about the Sabbeans and fire worshippers. But we do not know about fire-worshippers. It is no good saying “We have heard that such folk exist.” We must know what a fire-worshipper is. Allah speaks of satan, and we must know about him. He speaks of hypocrites. We must know what hypocrites are. They grumble when they see a woman with her hair uncovered. Or when they see someone from another religious community. Or someone without a beard. Or when they see a woman with her hair covered. This is all a very savage way of behaving, not normal at all. We must be open to thoughts and ideas. We must learn what freemasonry is. And Zionism. You must now what Creationism is and everything. We need a vast general culture.

Surat al-Zukhruf verse:

 “Pharaoh called to his people.” For example, as you know, until just recently there was a mindset in Egypt that shamelessly spoke down to and looked down on the people. He is now in a cage.  “…saying, ‘My people, does the kingdom of Egypt not belong to me? Do not all these rivers flow under my control. Do you not then see?”

Since there was a communist mindset there, he also regarded everything as belonging to him even then. He regarded the people as belonging to him. He imposed his own ideology on the people. For example, he says; “you will believe in me, I will not put up with anything else.” [In the Quran Pharaoh says] Do you not then see? Am I not better than this man...”Look, by saying “this man” he imagines he is belittling the Prophet Moses (as). “who is contemptible…?” There are stupid people like that who attach no value to our Kurdish or Arab brothers or some other people. “…and can scarcely make anything clear." In other words, he has trouble expressing himself. The Prophet Moses (as) grows excited as he speaks and sometimes stutters. He tries to use that against him. "Why have gold bracelets not been put upon his arms?”His thoughts immediately turn to gold and money. He will value and respect people depending on how much money they have. Disbelief is like that; people are judged according to their money and wealth. But a high-quality Muslim likes people because of their character and moral values. and why is there not a train of angels accompanying him?”

This is also something that unbelievers want. Nonbelievers always demand to see angels. This is therefore the kind of language to be used by nonbelievers and Pharaoh, not by Muslims. “In that way he swayed his people and they succumbed to him.

He despised that and literally made them his captives.  “They were a people of deviators. Then when they had provoked Our wrath, We took revenge on them          and drowned every one of them.

Allah generally inflicts disasters on perverse peoples. “We made them a thing of the past,an example for later peoples. When an example is made of the son of Maryam your people laugh uproariously.”

Some foolish types behave in the same way today when we say, “The Prophet Jesus (as) will come. Or they do not believe in the Prophet Jesus (as) coming into the world without a father. The nonbelievers at that time were just the same. “They retort, ‘Who is better then, our gods or him?’ They only say this to you for argument’s sake. They are indeed a disputatious people.”

There are argumentative people on the internet. They send retorts back and forth. But what is it about? Argument and disputation. Is there any love? No. They have abandoned affection, compassion and respect. Solely argument. They insult the prime minister or someone else. Their mouths have grown used to filth. Not a word do they say about love. They are not used to love. Their hearts are full of enmity and hatred. They want two things – enmity and argument. What dominates the argument? Enmity. Look for the word love on the internet and it is very hard to find. Always insults. Even young girls have begun cursing like men. They use cursing with a sexual content as if that were perfectly normal. How ugly that is! For a woman to curse is a direct insult toward herself. Really abnormal. “He is only a servant on whom We bestowed Our blessing and whom We made an example for the tribe of Israel.”

Allah says that the Prophet Jesus (as) is not divine. But He tells us to follow him. He says he is a model. “He is a Sign of the Hour. Have no doubt about it. But follow me. This is a straight path.”

And we have no doubts. Abjad [numerological] calculation gives a date of 2026, the date of the global dominion of Islamic moral values, insha’Allah. The beginning of the years of the glorious sovereignty of the Prophet Jesus (as). ”Do not let satan bar your way. He truly is an outright enemy to you.”


Surat al-Mumtanahah, 4:

You have an excellent example in Abraham and those with him,”That means there is a fine model in the Prophet Abraham (as) and those with him in terms of understanding the spirit and beauty of Muslims. Not just Abraham, but those with him, too.  “They said to their people: ‘We wash our hands of you and all that you worship apart from Allah’,We espouse neither Darwinist, nor materialist nor communist thinking. We espouse the truth. “We reject you.” We spurn you, they say. They reject their mother or father or whoever it may be. “Between us and you there will be enmity and hatred for everunless and until you believe in Allah alone.”There will be an opposition until they become genuine Muslims, faithful to Allah, until the Day of Reckoning. "Except for Abraham’s words to his father: ‘I will ask forgiveness for you.

The Prophet Abraham (as) says he will beg Allah’s forgiveness for his father and says he will pray to Allah to make him good and grant him reason and lead him to happiness. “but I have no power to help you in any way against Allah.” But if vengeance comes from Allah, I will submit to it, he says. "Our Lord, we have put our trust in You.” What does trust mean? We have attained the greatest blessing in the world, in other words. What happens when a person trusts? Things become like paradise, his mind becomes very healthy. If he falls ill he will not be afraid, if he is imprisoned he will not be distressed, nor if he loses all his possessions, because he has trust. Who destroys all one’s possessions? Allah. Who imprisons one? Allah. Who frees one again? Allah. Who sends sickness? Allah. And Who cures one? Allah. Since everything comes from Allah, everything is for the best. Everything is created with goodness and wisdom. Wisdom is in any case good, and there is goodness in all things. Goodness means what is true and fitting for Allah. And that is then good and fitting for Muslims. There is goodness in it, insha’Allah. 'We have put our trust in You.' Not just, we have turned to You. But we have truly and sincerely turned to You. “You are our final destination." How excellent! Muslims remain in this world for a while. Then they return to Allah, to His presence. Of course, Allah is unfettered by space. I say that to express the hereafter. "Our Lord, do not make us a target for those who are unbelievers.” Since it is a hard test. “…and forgive us. Our Lord, You are the Almighty, the All-Wise.” It is a most important obligation to know that Allah is strong and mighty. People forget. This command and all commands belong to Allah. “You are the All-Wise.“ If He does something there is always goodness in it; sometime we can know this, if Allah tells us. But sometimes we cannot, insha’Allah.   

Surat as-Saff, 7:

Who could do greater wrong than someone who invents a lie against Allah when he has been called to Islam?” Even though they have been preached to and told to follow Islam and the Qur’an. If someone tells a lie, that he was created out of mud by chance, if he utters such a slander, then he has done a great wrong. Allah will never bestow happiness on such a wrongful people. “Who could do greater wrong than someone who invents a lie against Allah?” The second component of the verse refers to superstitious nonsense such as “if you do this, you will be spared going to hell.” Who says so? Is that in the Qur’an? No. Did our Prophet (saas) make any such declaration. No. Superstitious nonsense. Or saying, “this is lawful but that is unlawful.” On what basis. Is that in the Qur’an? No. Did our Prophet (saas) say any such thing? No. So it is superstitious nonsense. “Who could do greater wrong than someone who invents a lie against Allah?” So hypocrites and unbelievers are the most wrongful people of all. “Allah does not guide wrongdoing people.” In other words, He gives them no power or dominion. They are despised and belittled everywhere. If they have a state, it collapses. The answer is to fully follow the Qur’an. To add nothing to the Qur’an and take nothing away. To believe in the sufficiency of the Qur’an.

  • (About Muslims being united)

Muslims are “those who, when they are oppressed, help and defend themselves.”, Allah says in one verse. Allah regards Muslims as a single nation, a single community in the Qur’an. For example, if anything is done to Muslims in Eritrea, according to that same commandment, all Muslims, all, must ally themselves against that, with knowledge and love and reason. The Qur’an makes that an obligation. This verse is one of the proofs of the obligatory nature of Islamic Union. When any Muslim is harmed, anywhere, Allah says, “help and defend themselves” in the verse. For example, in the event of an attack by the PKK terror organization, Muslims in Eritrea, Egypt, Mora, Chad and everywhere have an obligation to oppose it together. If Muslims are persecuted in Syria, for instance, all Muslims have an obligation to oppose that in the form of an alliance. There will be no corruption on earth when that is done. There is a verse of the Qur’an that reads, “Fight them until there is no more corruption and the religion is Allah’s alone.” This is an application of the verse. Because there is corruption? Where is there corruption? In any country at all. All Muslims have a duty to unite, to intellectually fight that corruption. Allah does not say, “Some of you take an interest in it, while the others need not bother.” It is a verse that addresses all of them. Allah does not tell some of us to pray while the others need not bother. He addresses us all. When He tells us to fast, He means all of us. The verse “those who, when they are oppressed, help and defend themselves” also refers to all Muslims. They all have a responsibility. I have a responsibility, as do Mahmut Hodja, and Fethullah Hodja, and religious scholars in Egypt and people in Pakistan and Libya. It is a duty incumbent on all. Indeed, even when the People of the Book are persecuted, when Christians and Jews are oppressed, Muslims in their own countries have a duty to protect them. Indeed, they even have a duty to protect polytheists. There is a verse in which Allah says, “If any of the idolaters ask you for protection, give them protection until they have heard the words of Allah.” Who will do that? All Muslims. The responsibility is not given to any particular group. The verse is a command to all, to everyone. The verses of the Qur’an are commands addressed to all the Muslims in the world. If people refuse to understand, then Allah will make them understand. Pretending not to understand is unacceptable. Libya pretended not to understand, for instance. Now look at it. Syria pretended not to understand. And now look at Syria. And this is the reason for hunger. There is an assault being made against all Muslims’ rights. There is famine and misery. We must all oppose it together. But who is taking any notice? Very few.

  • They are collecting money by SMS and things in Turkey. Some people say, “There is no need to hold Ramadan evening meal gatherings. Don’t go on the hajj, send them the money instead. There is no need to build mosques. Send the money to the hungry, instead.” But Ramadan evening meal gatherings are hugely important. It is a once in a year opportunity for Muslims to get to know one another. It is an excellent and very useful thing. In the same way the Friday prayers are good and useful, or the way Muslims come together at feasts and Ramadan. They pray all together. They perform the final prayer in the evening. That is a good thing. As is this in the same kind of way. Ask those who try to prevent Muslims doing it how many millions their wives spend on diamond rings. Tell them to go and sell them. Instead of giving advice, send the money you get from selling their rings off. Instead of sending their sons of abroad, they can send that money to the hungry instead. They can provide food for Muslims in that way. But it is obvious that will not resolve the problem. The solution is Turkish-Islamic Union, Islamic Union. Sending 5 or 10 cents is no good. The matter can only be completely resolved when we have Turkish-Islamic Union. Neither Jews will go hungry then, or Christians or Muslims. There will be no anarchy or terror or anything. The PKK will just fade away. By resistance, I don’t mean with sticks and stones, but using scientific methods. With love and affection and intelligence. Muslims must not fall into their trap in the fight against the way of the dajjal [antichrist]. You cannot fight bloodshed with bloodshed. Bloodshed can only be halted and neutralized through reason, love, art and science. For example, take the PKK; if Marxist-Leninist thinking is eliminated, the PKK will disappear. But if there is no such campaign against them, they will just carry on as they are. What we must do is wage an intellectual and rational campaign.

Surat as-Saff 8:

They desire to extinguish Allah’s Light          with their mouths.” They seek to stop Islamic Union, to stop the way of the Mahdi, to stop Turkish-Islamic Union. They try to extinguish the light of Allah with their mouths. They foolishly imagine they can extinguish Hazrat Mahdi (as) and prevent the coming of the Prophet Jesus (as) and neutralize Islamic Union. They are striving day and night to extinguish Allah’s light with their mouths, on the radio and television. “but Allah will perfect His light.” Even if they strive against it, Allah will still send Hazrat Mahdi (as) and the Prophet Jesus (as) and the moral values of Islam will still rule the world. “though the unbelievers hate it.” Those who make additions to the Qur’an, or make false deductions, unbelievers, atheists, whoever. “It is He Who sent His Messenger with guidance and the Religion of Truth”in such a way as to be an instrument of happiness. Hazrat Mahdi (as) will be sent with the duty of serving as Mahdi, as a guide to the true faith. “To exalt it [Islam] over every other Religion.”  Against all superstitious faiths. “to exalt it” so only Islam will remain. “though the idolaters  hate it.” Even if the bigots detest it. Because you can see that unbelievers are trying to oppose Islamic Union and Turkish-Islamic Union with all their might. They are not just trying to extinguish the light of Allah in Turkey alone. They are striving with all their might to prevent the global dominion of Islamic moral values in this century. But what does Allah say? “though the idolaters hate it,” Allah says He will impose His religion and establish Islamic Union. Abjad calculation of the verse gives a date of 2021.

You who believe! Shall I direct you to a transaction which will save you from a painful punishment?” Almighty Allah says.

He speaks of a transaction so people will understand. Almighty Allah addresses people in the language they best understand, the language of the busy they are so preoccupied with. “from a painful punishment.” Allah does not speak of an ordinary punishment, but of a painful one. People will not understand if He just says punishment. But Almighty Allah says, “a painful punishment.” To warn people and attract their attention. “which will save you…” That is a source of great joy. “Shall I direct you to a transaction…?” It is not easy for them, so Allah compares it to a business transaction. “It is to believe in Allah and His Messenger and strive in the Way of Allah with your wealth and your selves.” If you struggle, if you strive hard. You will give up your belongings on Allah’s path, preaching with all your hearts and spreading Islam everywhere. “That is better for you if you only knew.” What am I doing right now? Striving, spreading the faith, talking to people.

What do hypocrites do? They boast of their belongings, their money and houses, their flesh and blood, their tactics, their interests and their circles. What do believers do? They boast of their intellectual struggle, their efforts to spread Islamic Union, their services to Islam. They rejoice in them, and their hearts are at ease. He will forgive you your wrong actions and admit you into Gardens with rivers flowing under them, and fine dwellings in the Gardens of Eden. That is the Great Victory.

This is true happiness, because the life of this world is very short “And other things you love: support from Allah and imminent victory. Give good news to the believers!” Anjad calculation gives a date of 1981. “And other things [blessings] you love ” says Allah. Allah refers to the global dominion of Islamic values as a blessing. “Support from Allah and imminent victory. Give good news to the believers!” And we tell people the good news of Hazrat Mahdi (as) and Islamic Union. Allah says, “Give good news to the believers!” We will tell people of paradise, insha’Allah. We will tell them of Allah’s approval. If Allah permits. And it gives a date of 1981.

Islamic Union and Turkish-Islamic Union are coming about, step by step, before the eyes of the world. And I state openly that nobody can stop it. Eventually, everyone will say, “May Allah be pleased.” We are rendering most excellent service, insha’Allah. As pioneers for the Mahdi, as followers of Hazrat Mahdi (as). Hypocrites strive through corruption, but we are engaged in a most useful and successful intellectual struggle against Darwinism, materialism and Leninism, insha’Allah. And we are highly effective.

2011-09-08 23:10:49

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